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18 or 80.

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crippled blind or crazy i'm going

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dancing tonight it don't matter which

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of them you know

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that's hoot gibson i met him at arky

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blues silver dollar

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in bandera texas he's just one of many

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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sprague

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welcome to somewhere in the skies i am

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your host

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ryan sprague and with me today is one of

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partners in crime over at the debrief

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but that's not all she's known for

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she hosts a very popular podcast in

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and she also does a lot of work in the

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ufo field as well

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we're going to talk about everything

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in and out of the ufo world so with me

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today on summer in the skies

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is chrissy newton chrissy thank you so

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much for joining me today for the first

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time i can't believe i'm saying that

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i know i'm so excited i i love your

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podcast so when you asked me i was

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thrilled to be part of this

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well thank you there's so much we could

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i'm just gonna cut to the chase um

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origin story

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you know every comic book has one how

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so um i know you've answered this in the

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past in other interviews

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but i would love to hear how you first

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got interested

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in ufos what brought you into this crazy

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world that we're in

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my dad my dad got me into ufos when i

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he showed me this photo of a ufo that he

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to uh this cottage that they were going

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they all pulled over the side of the

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hovering above the sky and or above like

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and uh they ended up like taking it my

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dad ended up taking a picture of it

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and the guys ended up some of them were

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hunting so they ended up taking

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the rifle up to it and looked through

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the scope and then the ufo took

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a whole bunch of people saw it the news

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um and then his journey became part of

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my journey too which is really cool

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that is cool so what did he did he have

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what it was or what he saw i mean did he

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little green men or what yeah what did

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no matter what 100 it was a ufo to him

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a lot of them were confused because he

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i'm teaching him so i'll call him and

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i'm like did you hear

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that kind of relationship with him where

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i still get to talk about it and now i

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update him on what's going on so that's

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so cool you know the apprentice has

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you know there's vindication now in the

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about seeing ufos being interested in

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like you didn't do it for so many years

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you know making it known to the world

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that i was researching this

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roswell and area 51 and

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of your first ufo conferences

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i flipped out because i knew which one

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and i was actually the person who put

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the microphone on bob lazar

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that day backstage i was so nervous i

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couldn't believe i was looking at like

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this guy no matter what you think of him

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like if you believe him or not if you

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think he's a total fraud

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or he did what he said he did with these

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flying saucers but um

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experiences with these ufo conferences i

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people have a lot of preconceived

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notions about it totally so

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you know people are walking around in

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tin foil hats and doing that stuff

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ufos on a different level compared to

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it's a really great community it is

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it is i know you know for as much flack

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the ufo community at times about you

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know how passionate people are and how

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either hardcore believer they are in all

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marie is that we don't always agree on

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do a podcast for a really long time like

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it's been in my peripheral

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to do it and been in my head so she said

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yeah let's do it

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um and she came to my place with like a

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pad of paper

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and we came up with this concept of all

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pop repeat where

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we talk about how counter cultures and

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alternative cultures

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become or we use a word called sync into

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mainstream pop culture

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so how does something like the cannabis

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movement or lgbt rights or drag

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how do these counter cultures become

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mainstream pop culture

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so her and i you know started this road

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and she said to me she was like do you

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want to go to la to do our first

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interview i'm based in toronto

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and i said yeah let's do it so we like

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jumped on a plane we flew to l.a

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you know we found people that we knew um

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like george strombo which is a really

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well-known

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talk show host and care former talk show

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host in canada so

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he was one of our first interviews and

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then i said to her i was like ufology

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like i obviously loved ufology i'm like

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it's an amazing counter culture

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i said i met jeremy corbell at a

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conference

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obviously with bob lazar years ago so i

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said to let's

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let's see if jared wants to do an

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interview so i pitched jeremy to be on

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the show

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um and we totally i totally forgot a

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cell phone number because i met him that

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time and we exchanged contact

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information and we totally forgot

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so he liked the concept said he would be

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on the show um

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and then i met jeremy in person and

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built

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like started a relationship as a

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friendship with him and

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then you know we ended up talking a lot

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about ufos and

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i just it was a it was one of the

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perfect times where

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you know and elves i should say marie

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actually said to me she's like you know

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so much about ufos chrissy like i never

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knew that about you and i said well yeah

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like it's it's like something that i

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research and and talk about with my

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parents and my dad and like and some

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friends that like it

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and people know that i'm part of like

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like ufology

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um but i don't always talk about it with

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everyone that i that i know and i'm not

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always that vocal with it

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so that was really the start where um

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after the podcast it put me into like

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this

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and i enjoy it so much more and i love

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the community

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and then a good friend of mine victor

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vigiani asked to be part of a ufo

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podcast called

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the new frontier network and i said yeah

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i'd love to be

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and so it just started to trickle down

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that way and

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you know and it was a time where i was

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able then to be able to

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talk about ufos in a public relations

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point of view because

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that's what i do every day so for years

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i would have victor vigian

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vigiani and all these other people in

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the ufo community would ask me like can

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you be a publicist for

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like ufo topics or things like this

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within the mainstream media

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how do we get to the mainstream media

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chrissy and i would say well you know i

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love my job

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um i have to be careful because

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mainstream media you know years ago was

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not picking it up

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so slowly as things started to come to

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be

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you know the mainstream media started

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talking about it it was a perfect time

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when i started talk to being on a

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podcast a ufo podcast

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and then i was helping other people

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within the community um

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and really being able to use my public

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relation skills in combination

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with ufology of stuff that i like so it

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was you know it's good timing i guess

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part of that

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um right and yeah and it's like so and

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that's where we meet with the debrief

389
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right yeah you're right i i should i

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should have mentioned yeah

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that's kind of what led you to the

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debrief as well um

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well i guess let's um let's rewind just

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a little bit because you bring up so

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many good points especially with um

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kind of seeing ufology as um

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a brand like it's important and

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you know marketing again something that

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you do uh

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to have people like that in the field i

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think is

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uh exciting because we're so used to

403
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being a subculture

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where we talk to one another in these

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echo chambers on

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ufo twitter or you know the days of aol

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forums with like you know ufos

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conspiracies but

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it has changed and ufos have seemingly

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gone

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mainstream so i'd like to get your

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opinion when do you think that happened

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what was like the turning point where it

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was like wow

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new york times um yeah i mean look at

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this week

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cnn fox it doesn't matter which

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mainstream media outlet

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you follow or watch uh there were ufo

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stories

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all this past couple weeks so when do

422
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you think that point truly was when uh

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ufos started to really go mainstream

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yeah i think there's a lot of catalyst

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moments that really push it into

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mainstream

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you know bob lazar's conversation

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started in the early 80s helped it but

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it didn't

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tons of times where

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ufos have been in the mainstream like

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you know life magazine

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when we talk about betty and bernie hill

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like there's so many different moments

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but

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the most i think that pushed it into

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popular culture

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recently and had the masses really start

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to understand what ufology means and

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that you

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and taking ufo seriously i would say for

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sure

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is the new york times you know 2017 i

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believe

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um you know leslie keane you know ralph

446
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blumenthal like all of those

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journalists that are pushing towards

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having ufology and the understanding and

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getting obviously the pentagon to even

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speak about it

451
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you know those are real catalyst moments

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that pushed it in and then i would say

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on even

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after that is joe rogan and then the

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the meme that came out you know storm

456
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area 51 raid area 51

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so those are really the times that you

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know i think you had over 5 million

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people

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wanting to raid area 51

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and knowing about what area 51 is right

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which is like

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at that point was not a conversation

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anymore and so

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and which i find even more interesting

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is that you're getting this younger

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generation that's actually understanding

468
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what's happened so it's like a totally

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other resurgence of

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you you know of ufology of bob lazar

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story and what's actually happening and

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then people asking more questions

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because you're also getting this other

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young

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zed audience that's going hold on what

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is this like

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ufology like ufos like i thought that

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was just jokes that i didn't think it

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was real like this is

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yeah and so they're learning a lot more

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and you're also opening up the

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conversation to people that

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didn't even know what you know area 51

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was or or any conversation about ufos so

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that was really i think one of those and

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important times that it happened and joe

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rogan was is a huge voice for that and

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he still is

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he's a very important voice to push it

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for pop culture

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so a lot of people follow him you know

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and what he says

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you know he doesn't mean that he has all

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the right information

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and that's the time where people like

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myself or other people

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that are in the community that have that

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ability to be able i'm not good friends

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00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:20,480
with joe oregon they shouldn't be saying

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that

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but in context of being able to to push

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different conversations of all different

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journalists all different experts

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to the proper media so that they can get

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the proper information and ask

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really credible resources and really

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incredible investigative journalists

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for information that is

509
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i would say that's academic and also

510
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something that's trustworthy

511
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right and we know for a fact that

512
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:54,000
things like uh the pentagon uh ufo task

513
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,000
force that's going on right here in the

514
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united states we know that they're

515
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actually turning to

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the ufo community for information

517
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:06,079
which is crazy to me uh you know people

518
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:08,079
like luis elizondo the former head of

519
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atip

520
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telling us um you probably are noticing

521
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:13,199
a lot of new

522
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:15,760
uh twitter accounts in the whole ufo

523
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:17,039
twitter sphere

524
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:19,520
i don't think these are just like trolls

525
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or bots

526
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these are people in the intelligence

527
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,600
community keeping the tabs

528
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:26,000
on latest information because you look

529
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:27,120
at something like

530
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:29,679
these leaked reports that the debrief

531
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obtained

532
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:33,280
or uh these photos that george knapp got

533
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,480
these are coming

534
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,240
from the task force this is what they're

535
00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:38,400
looking at and they have no

536
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:41,039
idea what these things are but when

537
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,880
they're out in the public in the ufo

538
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:44,880
community full of very passionate

539
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:47,600
people either thinking it's aliens or

540
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:48,080
thinking

541
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:49,919
it's just a camera effect in these

542
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photos or these uh

543
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:54,320
videos or maybe their balloons it's

544
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possible

545
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:57,520
and the people outside of the government

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00:18:01,590 --> 00:17:58,480
might actually have

547
00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:01,600
more information than the actual

548
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:02,559
government

549
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,679
um which i think is amazing so

550
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,919
i hope to see more transparency and

551
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:09,200
working together

552
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:11,360
uh in this field especially as it

553
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:12,720
becomes more popular

554
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:15,200
which uh we both see happening right

555
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,320
yeah and i agree

556
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:18,000
i want more people to work together

557
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:19,520
because i think that we're all

558
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:21,840
kind of going towards maybe all maybe

559
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:24,080
different goals but i think there is

560
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:26,160
you know this transparency that we want

561
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,160
and disclosure that we want

562
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:30,240
from the government and we want an

563
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:32,080
answer so people might be doing it in

564
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:33,600
different ways but we're all

565
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:36,000
kind of going down that road of wanting

566
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:37,360
more information

567
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,080
information wanting truth and want to

568
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:42,000
see transparency so i think the more

569
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:44,240
that we work together together will

570
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,679
probably get us in a proper direction

571
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,039
and also put a lot more heat

572
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,760
under those people that that obviously

573
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:51,200
have a lot more information that they

574
00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:52,320
can release

575
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:54,480
and tell us and the more heat that we

576
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:56,160
have underneath that and put a fire

577
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:56,960
under their butt

578
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:59,039
then we're probably gonna get we're

579
00:19:01,350 --> 00:19:00,400
probably gonna hopefully get what we

580
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:01,360
want so

581
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,000
yeah i mean that seems to be what it's

582
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:06,640
taking for the department of defense to

583
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:09,039
acknowledge those three navy ufo videos

584
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,320
that we've been looking at

585
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,640
for god almost four years now uh for

586
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:14,559
them to officially acknowledge them

587
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,880
we had to back them into a corner and

588
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:18,080
say yo

589
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,200
uh 20 navy officers said they saw this

590
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:23,200
one of them said he filmed it one said

591
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:25,039
that he chased this thing

592
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,320
like just tell us is this real

593
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:30,240
and then finally they did because they

594
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:31,919
were forced to so i think you're right

595
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,480
things like these movements with uh you

596
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:36,480
know the big phone home happening

597
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,679
uh with uh luis jimenez over at the

598
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,760
unidentified celebrity review or you've

599
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:42,960
got the

600
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,840
scientific coalition for uap studies uh

601
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:47,280
petitioning congress

602
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:50,559
and saying here's 50 phds who want to

603
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,360
help you

604
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,440
try to figure out these things you're

605
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:55,120
looking at in these videos and whatnot

606
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,520
like

607
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:58,240
let us help you which i think is so cool

608
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,640
yeah

609
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,360
i agree and i also think that over time

610
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:03,039
the masses are going to even

611
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,880
become more part of this you know as

612
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,080
more people start learning

613
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:08,000
and the louder people's voices are and

614
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:09,919
the more that they're amplified

615
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,880
in mainstream media on social media

616
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:15,120
getting other people like lou elizondo

617
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,720
that's accrediting other people that

618
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:18,480
have great information more people that

619
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,919
are becoming you know accredited

620
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:20,880
journalists

621
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:23,120
more people that are talking about it

622
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,240
will get the

623
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:26,480
average person asking questions and we

624
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,440
want them to

625
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,520
to ask those questions so that they

626
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,960
start to put then heat

627
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,720
right and then once you start getting

628
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,960
that effect there's no way

629
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,720
that the american government or anyone

630
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,480
else can say can deny that

631
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:40,480
because you have too many people pushing

632
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,520
towards a movement

633
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,480
that want the truth and so i really see

634
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,559
that happening more you know i'm i'm

635
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,960
really hopeful in the next five to ten

636
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,760
years

637
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:52,240
we're gonna have way more people part of

638
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:53,440
this and more

639
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:56,400
way more people pushing for the truth

640
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:57,039
and

641
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,240
part of something like this

642
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,080
because we're seeing history right now

643
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,320
which i which i think is unbelievable

644
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:08,400
with with everything that we're doing

645
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,440
and one day

646
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,960
people will read about this you know

647
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:13,120
maybe 50 years from now 100 years from

648
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:13,679
now

649
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,280
are these are people

650
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,039
that pushed for the truth and people

651
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:21,200
that started it you know i have a good

652
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,799
friend of mine victor vigiani

653
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:25,520
you know he's an amazing ufologist he's

654
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,720
somebody that's always

655
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:28,400
generally pretty quiet and behind the

656
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,919
scenes but he helps all the rest of the

657
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,960
journalists and all the other

658
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,240
investigators

659
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,480
really come to you know finding

660
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:36,720
information or asking questions

661
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,840
and he's a mentor of mine in canada and

662
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:42,080
you know i love victor to death because

663
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:43,840
the one thing about him

664
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,240
is that he's been pushing for disclosure

665
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,159
his entire life

666
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:51,679
and i remember when in 2017

667
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,720
i was on a vacation in mexico and he

668
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:56,080
sent me a text and i've told the story a

669
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,039
couple times

670
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,960
um sent me a text when the mainstream

671
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,720
media picked it up in the new york times

672
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,440
and he was like chrissy he's like are

673
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,280
you seeing this and i was like i'm on a

674
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,440
beach on a vacation finally

675
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,600
in mexico and he's like look at your

676
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:11,440
phone like look at this look at social

677
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,080
media

678
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:14,400
and i was like scanning through my phone

679
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:15,280
and i'm like

680
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,320
oh like i was just like blown away

681
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,200
and for him and watching how happy he

682
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,960
was and all these other people that have

683
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:25,440
been fighting for their entire lives

684
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:28,159
say like we did it like we actually got

685
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,960
through

686
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,960
and he's one of those people like i

687
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,720
would be on emails with victor

688
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,960
and him emailing you know all different

689
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,440
media outlets and writing press releases

690
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:39,280
and you know he was like one of the

691
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,640
first pr people

692
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,440
i would say in ufology because and he

693
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:45,120
was doing it for free because he i

694
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,919
obviously do

695
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:48,000
i'm not not making moabs of money off

696
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,960
this obviously him

697
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:51,120
do other jobs in pr yeah i don't know

698
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,559
what he does right exactly

699
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,559
just so people know that um but it's

700
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:55,919
like for him it was just

701
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,960
a love you know so he was writing press

702
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,480
releases he was pitching

703
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,960
media outlets he would copy me on stuff

704
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,400
and and it was just

705
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,720
and seeing that him being able to

706
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,159
watching the our community

707
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,240
get through was something that i was so

708
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:12,159
proud for him and for everybody else

709
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,880
because

710
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:15,200
that would that was the start of now

711
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:16,320
that's something that's probably going

712
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,640
to

713
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,799
change the way we look at ufos and the

714
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,640
mainstream media and everybody does

715
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,240
in the next coming years which i think

716
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,760
is really wonderful

717
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,080
yeah it's cool and you're right i think

718
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,360
i look at someone like

719
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,440
again my mentor peter robbins here in

720
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,520
the united states a very well-known

721
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,280
ufo researcher or you look at someone

722
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:35,120
like stanton friedman who fought for

723
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,159
disclosure

724
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,280
his entire 55-year career in

725
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,200
like ufology if you want to call it a

726
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:42,960
career i guess he kind of did

727
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,840
um but you know on someone like him it's

728
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:47,520
so unfortunate that like

729
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:50,799
he passed away you know not too long

730
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,679
before that big news story struck could

731
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,799
you imagine like what that would have

732
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,240
meant to someone like him

733
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:58,720
um but hey you know that's what happens

734
00:24:06,950 --> 00:23:59,440
we

735
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:06,960
considered younger people in this field

736
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,679
um for them to have that kind of

737
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:11,440
validation of like this has been worth

738
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:11,840
it

739
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,520
we're making strides um that that's so

740
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,440
cool you know that they they get to see

741
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:19,120
that and then we get to build off of

742
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,400
everything they've done

743
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,840
and like you said bring it to the

744
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:23,440
younger generation i mean

745
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:26,480
the work i do with the the cw network

746
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,200
is for a very young demographic who's

747
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,360
never heard of area 51 who's never heard

748
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,120
of the roswell ufo crash

749
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,799
so when i first got approached about

750
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,159
doing a show like that

751
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,799
i was very hesitant i'm like why why are

752
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:40,159
you covering area 51 why are you

753
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,200
covering roswell

754
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,880
and all they had to do is show me the

755
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:44,480
demographic of their network and i was

756
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,960
like

757
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,600
i get it cool so we're educating a new

758
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,720
generation

759
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,520
to show them what came before so that

760
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,200
they have knowledge of what

761
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,679
could be coming next and like you said

762
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,440
the younger generation is so

763
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,279
internet savvy i mean you look at

764
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:00,640
tick-tock right now

765
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,000
and it's just blown up with ufo stuff my

766
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,600
even my parents are sending me

767
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,520
tick-tocks my parents

768
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:09,200
who i didn't think would ever get past

769
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,799
facebook um

770
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,039
are sending me tick-tocks of ufo stuff

771
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:15,520
so i think it's it's interesting it's so

772
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,080
weird

773
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,080
i never thought i would see this day

774
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:20,159
yeah and i'm excited for the younger

775
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,039
generation

776
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,960
it makes me really happy like we are

777
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,559
part of that and then there's younger

778
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,360
too

779
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,440
and a lot of other ufologists have said

780
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,799
to me like we're

781
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:31,520
we need to leave our information our

782
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,720
knowledge

783
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,559
with people that are younger than us so

784
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,159
then we keep going forward

785
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,559
and fighting for disclosure or remember

786
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,000
what they were fighting for and the

787
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:42,720
information they have so we don't forget

788
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,440
and or other information gets like it's

789
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,600
not disseminated properly to us or we're

790
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,039
told another story and we start

791
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,799
believing a different narrative

792
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:53,440
so for me it's it's important too to

793
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,240
have this and

794
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,480
and also like you know the podcast that

795
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,159
i'm on with the guys and i'm the

796
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,240
youngest on the podcast you know

797
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,200
i'm just joking i'm like the youngest

798
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,720
but it's great because when they asked

799
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,760
me and

800
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,000
i was like i love to be because i

801
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,320
learned so much from them that's the

802
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,679
other thing i have a diff maybe a

803
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,520
younger or different perspective from

804
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,880
them as well and that's why they brought

805
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,000
me on was for

806
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:18,000
a pop culture news mainstream

807
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,120
perspective

808
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,400
of ufology but for them they have this

809
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,559
information that when we get together

810
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,320
once a week and we have a meeting

811
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,640
i get to nerd out with them and we just

812
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,880
talk every thursday at noon and have a

813
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,679
meeting

814
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,279
and it's really awesome because then i

815
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,360
learn a crapload from them

816
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,799
and i can ask questions and the nice

817
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,559
thing is i can make mistakes

818
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,640
and i can say like oh i didn't know that

819
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,600
like it's not

820
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,799
you know and then though they'll end up

821
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,640
giving me information we send

822
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,640
you know tons of emails to each other

823
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:48,000
before we're doing interviews with

824
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,840
guests like it's a really really great

825
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,440
obviously like the ufo community is so

826
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,120
lovely to be in but

827
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,120
with them as well as researchers and

828
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,880
people that were investigating

829
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:59,200
i see it through their eyes and then i

830
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,080
learn

831
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,039
their point of views because there's a

832
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,039
couple of us on this podcast

833
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,559
and then worldly point of views because

834
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:08,080
someone's from peru we have somebody

835
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,200
from south africa

836
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,760
we have somebody from the states we have

837
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,720
somebody

838
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,039
from two of us from canada like we're

839
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,559
from all over the place

840
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,120
so i get to hear their perspective from

841
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,000
another country

842
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,039
which is really cool too um so yeah it's

843
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,720
i'm just really fortunate to be part of

844
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,480
it and victor was the one that created

845
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,240
this podcast and came up with the idea

846
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:31,039
so yeah what i think is really cool with

847
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,640
you know what you're doing and victor

848
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,000
and everyone over there

849
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:36,320
at new frontiers is uh making this

850
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,120
global

851
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,200
which i think gets lost in the mix a lot

852
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:41,039
you know it seems to be the united

853
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:41,919
states

854
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,480
again is trying to just be the example

855
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:45,919
for everyone else about

856
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,559
the right way to do things but hey look

857
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,799
our government has been pretty cagey

858
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,480
when it comes to ufos where other

859
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,080
nations and countries

860
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,399
have been extremely open and transparent

861
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,679
with their citizens so

862
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,760
um yeah i think it's really cool that

863
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,360
you have someone you kind of have like a

864
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,880
united nations

865
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,520
of ufologists over there um would you

866
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,960
mind sharing some of the names of the

867
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,159
people involved with that

868
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,399
chrissy yeah like uh giorgio's in it

869
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,000
giorgio's been really well known

870
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,679
christopher iverson that's part of it

871
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,200
victor vigiani

872
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,679
like they're just they're just men that

873
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,120
are really really

874
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:21,919
well well spoken you know they they've

875
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,240
been

876
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:24,240
researching on their own for years or

877
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:25,440
working with other people in the

878
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,240
community

879
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,000
they're also friends with tons of other

880
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,760
people in the community as well like

881
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,200
around the world

882
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,039
and i find that really interesting like

883
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,440
they brought me into other meetings with

884
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,799
with people that i think there was like

885
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,799
10 people in a meeting once

886
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:41,039
talking about ufology and they were from

887
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,159
like france

888
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,360
germany like they were everywhere and

889
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,799
i just said to them i was like this is

890
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:48,720
the most universal

891
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:52,480
global meeting i've ever been part of

892
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,760
um yeah and i think that for for them

893
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,679
you know it's it's important they they

894
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,799
do that and

895
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:01,120
for men that have been doing this their

896
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,240
entire lives they've

897
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:04,000
really created a wonderful network of

898
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,360
people that

899
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,840
you know that that they brought me into

900
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,120
and and i got to meet

901
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,200
and become friends with as well but also

902
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:13,360
then rely on each other as resources to

903
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,679
get

904
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,600
great information and i think that

905
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,000
that's that's the part that's really

906
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,000
important is that they get to share

907
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,919
ideas and they're all

908
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,000
looking at you know obviously wanting

909
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,000
disclosure and wanting again i keep

910
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,240
saying wanting the truth and they're

911
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,320
talking to each other around the world

912
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,000
to have their governments come forward

913
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:34,159
and talk about it so it's it's really

914
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,559
cool

915
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,440
yeah again um i think when other nations

916
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,799
put that pressure on

917
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:41,520
uh and they are more vocal and open to

918
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,320
it uh

919
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,720
then hopefully the united states will

920
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,080
follow soon you know i

921
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,320
that's what we can hope for but um i

922
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,080
have hope i have hope you know

923
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,320
that's but that's the word that i want

924
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,080
to ask you about chrissy hope

925
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:57,520
um we have this report that's due

926
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,720
i believe june 25th here in the united

927
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,720
states where we're supposed to get

928
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,240
what the pentagon has been looking at

929
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,640
when it comes to uap ufos

930
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,360
and a lot of people are super excited

931
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,640
and they think this is it this is

932
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:12,159
disclosure we're getting what we've

933
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,120
always wanted

934
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,520
and then there's those of us who are a

935
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,720
bit more tempered

936
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,880
and then even probably a smaller

937
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,000
fraction who are like

938
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:22,320
this is stupid nothing's gonna happen

939
00:30:26,350 --> 00:30:23,760
we've seen this before

940
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,360
um so where do you lay in this whole

941
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,399
180-day report

942
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,640
um of grand disclosure that's gonna

943
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,080
happen in june

944
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,080
i'm on the side i don't think we're

945
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:35,520
gonna get a lot

946
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,679
i just i don't it would be surprising if

947
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:41,679
the government decided to go

948
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,799
here is you know here's everything or

949
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,000
here's a like i just

950
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,440
we've never really seen it before so i'm

951
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:52,559
i'm hopeful that maybe they'll they'll

952
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,760
tell us more information but i i'm

953
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,320
really not waiting for this you know

954
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,240
this grand disclosure moment

955
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,320
i just don't think it's gonna happen you

956
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,760
know from even from other files that

957
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,440
we've seen that have been released

958
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,279
it's not like it's always new

959
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,960
information like it's a lot of

960
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,559
information that the community has been

961
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,000
researching and looking up and then

962
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:14,159
they've just kind of it's been confirmed

963
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:17,600
so i just i'm not i'm not saying that

964
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:18,080
i'm

965
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,519
trying to be negative i just don't feel

966
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,519
that we're gonna get what we want as a

967
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,960
community

968
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,640
yeah you know prepare for their worst

969
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:26,320
and i hope for the best right

970
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,760
right and i think that we're probably

971
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,679
gonna over we're gonna have to keep

972
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,919
fighting for more and more information

973
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,200
and even this is just

974
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:36,000
to start so this just happening is

975
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,200
really great and

976
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:39,120
i'm thankful that that's happened and

977
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,720
then we'll see how next year is

978
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,399
and we'll keep fighting and we'll keep

979
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,760
fighting for

980
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,080
more information and more disclosure and

981
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,919
i think that at some point we'll start

982
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,279
getting things that we want but i have a

983
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,039
feeling it will be spoon fed to us

984
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,600
i don't think it's gonna be this ma i'm

985
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,000
not holding my breath

986
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:58,240
i think that's really all we can do at

987
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,360
this point um

988
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,679
and it'll probably be delayed as most

989
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:02,960
things in government

990
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,470
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991
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,320
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992
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,799
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1008
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:51,590
there's such a there's a big

1009
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,279
gap i think in ufo

1010
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,159
research or the ufo community of cool

1011
00:33:01,509 --> 00:33:00,080
we've got this government thing

1012
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,519
uh we've got things like the new

1013
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,240
frontier network um working globally

1014
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,679
to try to help um i guess guide along

1015
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:09,200
those sorts of things

1016
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:13,120
uh but then we have this whole other

1017
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:18,159
part of ufo lore and ufo discussion

1018
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,279
that's um i'm just gonna say it it's

1019
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:22,720
it's

1020
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:29,120
um whether it is

1021
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:33,279
contacting ets um the ce5 movement

1022
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,120
um alien abductions close encounters

1023
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,840
these are cool stories and don't get me

1024
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:41,679
wrong i'm all about them because i love

1025
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:42,559
stories

1026
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:45,039
uh but there is a big gap between what's

1027
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,480
going on right now in the mainstream

1028
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:47,519
with ufos

1029
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,600
and another large portion of this topic

1030
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,240
um so do you think there's a place for

1031
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,399
it in this mainstream discussion

1032
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,919
as we move forward when it comes to

1033
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,159
alien abductions um

1034
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:03,039
you know using your mind and

1035
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,559
consciousness and yoga

1036
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,039
and all this stuff to try to uh vector

1037
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,359
in ufos or talk to aliens like

1038
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,359
where do you lie in all that that's a

1039
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:13,280
great question because i think a lot of

1040
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,079
people

1041
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:16,079
wonder that and we listen to all these

1042
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,359
different narratives

1043
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,679
that are coming out i sit on the side

1044
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:20,399
where

1045
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:23,760
i would like science and academia

1046
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:26,800
to work alongside ufology you know and

1047
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,599
ufologist

1048
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:29,599
and start proving it through science and

1049
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,639
academia

1050
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:33,119
the reason why i say that is the people

1051
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,240
that aren't

1052
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,280
interested in ufos or don't believe will

1053
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,280
start to look into it and have a better

1054
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,800
understanding because it's talking to

1055
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,280
them through a narrative they understand

1056
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,839
so i do feel that that's really really

1057
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,560
important

1058
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,960
and i think we have to keep asking

1059
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,839
scientists

1060
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:52,480
and giving them the ability to look at

1061
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:52,879
this

1062
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,760
and do it in a way that is approachable

1063
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:56,399
for them

1064
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,680
you know we don't put so much pressure

1065
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,440
we can't ridicule scientists

1066
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,800
for thinking something that maybe we

1067
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:02,000
don't agree with because we've been

1068
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:03,680
doing it for so long in

1069
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,720
the industry so i think we need to make

1070
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,880
up space for them and room for them

1071
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,440
to collect to collaborate but i also

1072
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,119
think that at some point

1073
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:16,160
when we look at the abduction stories in

1074
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,960
the cases

1075
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,720
you know we have travis walton we have

1076
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,160
betty and barney hill

1077
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,280
we have a lot of contact d

1078
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,320
you know um zimbabwe the aerial school

1079
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,800
event like there's there's a lot of

1080
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,160
different conversations around

1081
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:33,520
that and i really do believe though that

1082
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:37,119
the government or somebody or us

1083
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,480
have to start having a larger

1084
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,960
conversation at one point in time

1085
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,800
maybe right now is not that point in

1086
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,119
time but i think we do need to discuss

1087
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:47,440
because there's been a lot of we can't

1088
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:48,480
ignore

1089
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,839
that there have been abductions or

1090
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:54,240
different types of contact d's moments

1091
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:56,839
and experiences where ufos have been

1092
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,920
involved so us just ignoring that and

1093
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,800
pushing it away

1094
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,280
is is i don't feel is the right thing to

1095
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,359
do i think we really need to

1096
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,440
have that conversation at one point in

1097
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:09,599
time and it does need to be brought up

1098
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,920
because as disclosure keeps happening

1099
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,200
you can't just say

1100
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,960
well forget these people and what

1101
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,640
they're doing because for them we don't

1102
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:18,320
know what's really going on but for them

1103
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,280
it's real

1104
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,359
and we need to give space to that and

1105
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,119
open up for them to be able to have a

1106
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,720
place to talk about it without being

1107
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,599
ridiculed

1108
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,839
and looked at it in it in a different

1109
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,440
light at some point in time

1110
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,520
i don't know exactly how i personally

1111
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:32,880
feel because i've never had

1112
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,320
one of those moments but i could imagine

1113
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:38,000
being that person that's had an

1114
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,440
experience and

1115
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,599
having no one to connect to or no one to

1116
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,560
talk to

1117
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,800
and so for them it's real and that's

1118
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,320
what's important and there has to be a

1119
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,920
space for them to be able to talk about

1120
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,280
it and then when we come

1121
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,599
to a better consensus of what's going on

1122
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,359
maybe we'll be able to understand

1123
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:55,200
improve that through academia a little

1124
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,640
bit better so

1125
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,240
i think at some point we'll get there

1126
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:59,680
we're just not i don't think we're there

1127
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,320
yet

1128
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,880
but maybe one day we will be yeah i

1129
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,720
that's such a good point i think we need

1130
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,359
to

1131
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:07,520
we always should look at disclosure as a

1132
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,480
process

1133
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,400
and you know it's not going to be this

1134
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,680
huge thing dropped in our lap

1135
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,640
immediately

1136
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:15,200
and then like that's it like this is a

1137
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,240
big thing

1138
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,560
this is probably the biggest question

1139
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,839
we've ever asked

1140
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,560
in our lives other than you know what

1141
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,240
happens when we die

1142
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,599
um is there life out there and has

1143
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,200
leslie keane is trying to figure that

1144
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,359
out right now with bigelow

1145
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,400
right which is crazy because again these

1146
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,000
two are tackling two of life's

1147
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:38,160
biggest mysteries so i respect them

1148
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:39,359
highly for doing that

1149
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,720
and they both think that they might be

1150
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,800
interconnected which i think is

1151
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,119
another big pro part of what you said

1152
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,960
this process of we're not quite there

1153
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,520
yet

1154
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,960
like there's a lot of work that still

1155
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,800
needs to be done um

1156
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:53,599
we're lucky to have people like rizwan

1157
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:53,920
uh

1158
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,880
virk or d prasad these these individuals

1159
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,000
who look at things like

1160
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,880
quantum mechanics and uh how this could

1161
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:02,800
play a role in all of this someday

1162
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,640
but again like that's so 20 30 40

1163
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:09,040
100 years down the line that we're

1164
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:10,160
focusing right now

1165
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:13,359
still on grainy ufo videos from

1166
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,560
the navy like that's the best we got so

1167
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,400
we work for right now we have that's

1168
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,400
where we're at and um

1169
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,920
some people might think that's good i

1170
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,920
don't know but um yeah i think

1171
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,200
i think you're right you know it's going

1172
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,680
to take time and like you said too

1173
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:30,000
these abduction stories and close

1174
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,720
encounters

1175
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,960
there is a place for them i mean clearly

1176
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:34,880
that's what my books have

1177
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,240
been about i clearly um

1178
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,560
think there is something to it and i've

1179
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,599
always been asked you know

1180
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,440
do you believe all these people that you

1181
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,440
write about when that they were abducted

1182
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,520
and everything and i try to tell them it

1183
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,440
doesn't matter what i believe

1184
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:51,119
like i'm just getting their story out

1185
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,800
there because nobody else

1186
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:55,040
will listen to them and no one else will

1187
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,320
take them seriously

1188
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,760
so i at least want to give them that

1189
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,400
outlet yeah yeah for them it's real i

1190
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,560
i agree with that and i there's nothing

1191
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:04,000
wrong from telling a story from a

1192
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,200
different perspective and

1193
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,040
you don't have to believe or believe but

1194
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:09,359
it is it's this form of journalism

1195
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,640
where you're telling people because

1196
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,320
these stories are real to them and

1197
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:14,079
there's been a lot of them it's not like

1198
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,720
it's just

1199
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,040
you know there's just this is the one

1200
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,640
story that's been told that's a

1201
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,560
a tale that's been told over centuries

1202
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:22,000
it's not like that it's happened

1203
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,200
multiple times

1204
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,440
so we need to give space to it and one

1205
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:27,440
day you know science and academia might

1206
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,480
prove and might

1207
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,240
have a reason for what's actually

1208
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,920
happening the other part too

1209
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,599
is that the beautiful thing about the

1210
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,680
ufo community is that

1211
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,599
right now and with the government we're

1212
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,960
looking at something that

1213
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:41,359
most people call paranormal and it's a

1214
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,320
paranormal

1215
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,359
event right it's this phenomena so now

1216
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:47,119
this paranormal is actually having more

1217
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,560
of a mainstream conversation and the

1218
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:50,320
government's having it which is like

1219
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,359
even more of a bigger conversation

1220
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:55,839
so we're opening the door that maybe in

1221
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,480
the next

1222
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,640
x amount of years these other normal

1223
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,160
pair other paranormal

1224
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:02,880
uh conversations will start be having

1225
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,359
real

1226
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,040
academic conversations too maybe

1227
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,119
ufology's the beginning for that

1228
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,160
um and i hope so because people are

1229
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,000
having experiences in multiple different

1230
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,599
ways not just ufology

1231
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:16,000
so we can't just ignore it and to be

1232
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,720
honest if

1233
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,800
one it's like i say with ufos and a lot

1234
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,000
of people say this too

1235
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,960
you know one of them is real and one

1236
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:24,560
abduction or any of it

1237
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:27,839
it makes it real it you don't need um

1238
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,599
you just need one so at some point i

1239
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:33,359
hope we get to a place where we figure

1240
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,000
it out

1241
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,839
of what's actually going on overall but

1242
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:37,040
you're right we have to start with

1243
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,560
grainy videos first

1244
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,319
and prove that through science and what

1245
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,640
we know and then grow as our technology

1246
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,079
grows we will grow with our

1247
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,680
understanding and our ability of you

1248
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,760
know and our lexicons will grow too

1249
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:49,839
we don't have the even the right words

1250
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,119
to explain sometimes what's going on

1251
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,119
right or even our science can't keep up

1252
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,359
to that so as our science develops and

1253
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:59,359
we start creating a different lexicon

1254
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,079
around it

1255
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,680
and being able to prove it then maybe

1256
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,200
we'll come to a point where we can start

1257
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,040
proving other things that are attached

1258
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,599
connected to ufology or ufo sightings

1259
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,200
and in general

1260
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:11,359
i i love that you know a good friend of

1261
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,400
mine greg

1262
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:14,560
bishop wrote a book called it defies

1263
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,440
language

1264
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:17,599
and it's all about ufos because it's

1265
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,640
you're so right

1266
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,560
like we just we're not there yet we

1267
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:22,400
don't know how to describe these things

1268
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,119
we're seeing

1269
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:25,680
i mean two people can be at the same ufo

1270
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,240
sighting

1271
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:28,240
and describe it completely differently

1272
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,839
which is cool in one way but it's

1273
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:31,119
frustrating when you're trying to get

1274
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,160
hard data

1275
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,839
uh but you're right yeah like perception

1276
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,920
plays a big role in this language plays

1277
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,800
a big role

1278
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,359
um you know your belief system or the

1279
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,480
lens in which

1280
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:43,040
you look through at that ufo event plays

1281
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,000
a big part

1282
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,480
and uh oh it's just there's ufos

1283
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:48,000
represent everything which i think is

1284
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:49,040
the coolest thing

1285
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:52,160
yeah history language religion it covers

1286
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,040
everything

1287
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,640
oh yeah well i've said like if we have

1288
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,880
to go to if there is a course one day

1289
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,960
hopefully because ufology you can be a

1290
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,119
ufologist there but there's no academic

1291
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:03,200
school that you can go to so maybe one

1292
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,680
day

1293
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,760
there will be a place where people can

1294
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:07,839
go and learn about ufology

1295
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:10,480
and and become a ufologist and have a

1296
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,760
whole bunch of you know and have to

1297
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,359
maybe a couple degrees because

1298
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,359
this is why you need a community because

1299
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:16,480
understanding physics

1300
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:20,480
aviation culture uh like there's just so

1301
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,280
many

1302
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:23,200
different spaces that you have to be an

1303
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,480
expert to explain

1304
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,400
like with somebody asked me like chrissy

1305
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,480
can you explain how this ufo is moving

1306
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,480
i'd be like that that's not my forte i'm

1307
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,760
like my forte is

1308
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:34,160
media and mass media and understanding

1309
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,160
like how media is disseminated

1310
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,400
how to be able to bring more light and

1311
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,079
attention to this topic

1312
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,000
along with culture you know and working

1313
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:43,440
within a community and watching how

1314
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,000
people work

1315
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,400
together like those are my places my

1316
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,240
place is not the place to talk about

1317
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,079
aviation and physics because like

1318
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,640
trust me that's not my place and you

1319
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:54,480
don't want my opinion on that because

1320
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,040
like

1321
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:58,000
it's just it's not my expertise um the

1322
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,280
other thing i think is really

1323
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,200
interesting about this community that i

1324
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:03,040
that i also find and i've said this a

1325
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:04,240
couple times too that

1326
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,680
you know we're fighting and i've said it

1327
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:07,200
to friends maybe not so much on

1328
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,240
interviews but

1329
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,079
we're really fighting for something that

1330
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,000
we don't know anything about

1331
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:14,160
and like we don't know what the end

1332
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,440
cause is and we're all

1333
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:17,280
we're all doing that and to me that's

1334
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,480
really interesting

1335
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,319
because most people when they're

1336
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,240
fighting they there is

1337
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,880
i guess this really end understanding of

1338
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,079
what they're fighting for

1339
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:28,720
as a movement we're fighting for truth

1340
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,280
which is

1341
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,440
one thing i do see and we're fighting

1342
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,920
for this disclosure and and human

1343
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,760
technology and lots of other things but

1344
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,480
we don't know what it really is

1345
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,800
you know as people right now i don't

1346
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,480
know what the government knows that's

1347
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,480
for sure but as us as a community we

1348
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,920
know and i find that really

1349
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,079
interesting that we're always we're all

1350
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:49,920
going towards something that

1351
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,400
is really unknown to us like it is a

1352
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,520
phenomenon and

1353
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,960
you don't get a lot of group of people

1354
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,400
fighting for something they don't really

1355
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,839
know what the end cause is

1356
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,200
like does that do you know what i mean

1357
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,040
when i say that like they're

1358
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:03,280
fighting for a mystery yeah we're

1359
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:04,400
fighting for a mystery and we're

1360
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:05,119
fighting for

1361
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,560
uh our own reasons you know i always

1362
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:10,240
tell people yeah of course i want like

1363
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,359
the truth to come out

1364
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:14,160
but i'm not like i'm not mulder i'm not

1365
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,200
trying to

1366
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,760
prove that there's a shadow government

1367
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:19,119
pulling all the strings and they're

1368
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,319
working with aliens

1369
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,359
i'm not even into the ufo field to prove

1370
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,560
that ufos are aliens like i don't even

1371
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,240
try to connect the two i try to keep

1372
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,839
ufos completely separate

1373
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,400
from the question is there other life um

1374
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:34,480
but i'm in it for my own reasons as you

1375
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,200
are as

1376
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,280
so many other people are they want

1377
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,680
answers and they want to find meaning

1378
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,599
in why they're interested in it and why

1379
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:43,599
they got involved or maybe why they had

1380
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,800
an experience

1381
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,880
you know like a lot of people don't want

1382
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,319
these things to happen to them

1383
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,000
but it did it fell in their lap and they

1384
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:52,079
were forever changed so

1385
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,440
yeah i think it's a very personal

1386
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:56,240
journey yeah and why we're so connected

1387
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,720
to it

1388
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,440
i ask myself that a lot and i ask other

1389
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:01,200
people the question like what brought

1390
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,079
you here

1391
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,920
because i find that really interesting

1392
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,359
what's their motives

1393
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,000
why you know you know a you don't if you

1394
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,599
just love it and you're interested that

1395
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,960
that's wonderful too that's a great

1396
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,760
reason why

1397
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,280
like they're but i'm curious to see

1398
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,720
because everybody has an individual

1399
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,160
experience or story

1400
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,160
yeah that brought them to this community

1401
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,839
and they play a role in it

1402
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,760
if it's just researching interested

1403
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,040
supporting you know

1404
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:25,440
investigating there's so many things but

1405
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,480
there there

1406
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,640
has to be more common thread to us and

1407
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:30,560
maybe one day you know a psychologist

1408
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,200
will do an

1409
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,520
analysis on everybody in the community

1410
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,720
and then they'll tell us

1411
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:37,040
we all we all get along at times and

1412
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,480
some do and some don't but

1413
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:41,040
why we're all doing this um because it

1414
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:42,480
is interesting and the one thing that i

1415
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,280
see that's

1416
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,599
that maybe not for everybody but from a

1417
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,359
lot of us as i always say

1418
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,680
is really want to know the truth

1419
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,520
obsessed with knowing the truth

1420
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:54,000
and and having an understanding of

1421
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,359
what's going on but

1422
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:58,240
overall wanting to know and really

1423
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,040
enrapt

1424
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:01,599
into into and knowing this story telling

1425
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,319
the truth

1426
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,400
and the government telling us like there

1427
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,319
there's something there to that

1428
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,200
um would you say so or do you find that

1429
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,520
other people might have other reasons

1430
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,880
i i i again i think it just it varies so

1431
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,520
much

1432
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,839
i think there's people in the ufo field

1433
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:18,960
strictly for

1434
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:22,000
notoriety and um are less than honest

1435
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,440
about what they're doing

1436
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,680
uh i won't name names because i think

1437
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,880
everyone kind of knows

1438
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,560
who i might be talking about when it

1439
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,240
comes to that um but

1440
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:32,640
again i think there are people who just

1441
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,520
want

1442
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,480
uh to trust their government which i

1443
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,599
think is a big issue

1444
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,920
especially here in the us right now is

1445
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,440
um and look

1446
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,680
kind of the ufo modern ufo era started

1447
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,160
with a lie in a cover-up in roswell

1448
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,839
like yeah we don't we still don't know

1449
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:49,680
what it was but we damn well know it was

1450
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,240
not

1451
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:52,400
a weather balloon like they said it was

1452
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:53,520
so i mean

1453
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:56,079
what do you do when the first kind of

1454
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,440
documented case

1455
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,160
at least here in the u.s um kind of

1456
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:02,000
started with a lie so i think people

1457
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,640
want to

1458
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,880
hold their government accountable and be

1459
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,680
like yo

1460
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,599
like tell us what's going on we deserve

1461
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,000
it we are the ones paying you

1462
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,800
and you're here to work for us so i

1463
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,400
think there's that part of it

1464
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,000
um and then like you said i think a lot

1465
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,920
of people just love chasing a mystery

1466
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:20,000
and i do feel that's why i'm in it i

1467
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,040
don't care

1468
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,680
what the end result is i i think either

1469
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,760
i'm going to be thoroughly let down

1470
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,920
if we ever do find that answer or it's

1471
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:29,839
going to be something so

1472
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,040
wrong uh i i am going to be so wrong

1473
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,720
about what it was that it's just going

1474
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,800
to like blow my mind um and there's

1475
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,400
probably not one answer to what you

1476
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,800
guys are aren't either you know i agree

1477
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,640
i think that we're probably

1478
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,000
we think we're going in the right

1479
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:45,520
direction where we're like we know what

1480
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,319
it is and

1481
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:48,240
you know and and it's probably not and

1482
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,520
the funny thing is that we see through

1483
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,000
culture throughout multiple years from

1484
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,880
the 50s the 60s and the 70s into now

1485
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:57,280
the concept of what a ufo looked like

1486
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,240
changes

1487
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,319
you know it was like a flying saucer you

1488
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,319
know and then we move into

1489
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,319
you know uh triangles like we still have

1490
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,240
triangles and then we move into

1491
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,280
orbs and then we move into now pyramids

1492
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:11,440
like there's just there's so many

1493
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,400
different shapes and

1494
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:14,640
we do see that as we move over decades

1495
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,599
and decades

1496
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:18,640
that the shapes in our culture it does

1497
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,359
change so

1498
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:22,079
are we are ufos a reflection of us in

1499
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,119
our time

1500
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,280
like it's you know and i know i've i

1501
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,640
know that i'm not the only person who's

1502
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,160
who said that and there's tons of

1503
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,680
articles or about that

1504
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,240
about what what does that mean like and

1505
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,000
i have a feeling that it probably won't

1506
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:36,319
be something that we thought it would be

1507
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,680
i also just don't think we have that

1508
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,440
ability yet and the lexicon in the

1509
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:40,960
science and i keep saying that is

1510
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,359
because

1511
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,680
we don't have enough information to back

1512
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,800
what we're seeing

1513
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:47,280
and maybe one day we will and again it

1514
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,800
probably will be something that we never

1515
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:50,880
even thought of

1516
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,839
yep yep if it's octopus from other

1517
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,839
planets i want nothing to do with it

1518
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:57,280
because that is not the answer i'm

1519
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,240
looking for

1520
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:01,359
um but no i think you're right um this

1521
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,240
topic

1522
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:05,119
this question says so much more about us

1523
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,559
than whatever it is

1524
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,400
we're dealing with i think you're right

1525
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:09,599
it is reflective of

1526
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:12,800
us our um our concerns

1527
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,319
our hopes our dreams um and our issues

1528
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,160
that we face here on our planet

1529
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:20,800
like that's why when nuclear you know

1530
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,839
weapons were first being manufactured or

1531
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,839
you know we're we're going to vietnam

1532
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,079
that's why in the 60s and 70s

1533
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,800
we had this contact e movement of aliens

1534
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:32,000
coming here and saying

1535
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,680
you gotta shape up because you're gonna

1536
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:35,359
destroy your planet like

1537
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:38,480
it's it's a good i guess conveyor of a

1538
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,040
message

1539
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,359
we should be following anyways kind of

1540
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,880
like religion like you look at any of

1541
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,400
the major religions

1542
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,240
and they kind of all have the same core

1543
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:48,400
meaning you know do good

1544
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,079
and um spread love and

1545
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:54,559
it'll come back to you um so i think

1546
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,440
yeah i think this

1547
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:58,000
topic is reflective of that as well it's

1548
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,200
us striving

1549
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,839
to be something more um and we look at

1550
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,960
these

1551
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,760
tic tacs and pyramids doing unbelievable

1552
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,200
things that we know humans are not

1553
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,480
capable of yet

1554
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,119
uh but we might one day so i again i

1555
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:13,359
think it's us aspiring to be something

1556
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,960
and maybe that is what we're dealing

1557
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,960
with when it comes to the the alien

1558
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,160
question

1559
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,559
yeah i'd love to talk to people that

1560
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,000
obviously we can't talk to someone from

1561
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,359
you know 1910

1562
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:25,280
but i would like to talk to as far back

1563
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,480
as we could get

1564
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,880
and ask them from all different periods

1565
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:29,920
and decades and

1566
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,040
in in and compare them and say

1567
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,040
when you saw a ufo what'd it look like

1568
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,040
what was going on in history

1569
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,599
what happened what was your feeling what

1570
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:41,440
was it like what was it like

1571
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,559
what did everybody think about ufos um

1572
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,720
and then keep going down that line every

1573
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,040
decade or every five years

1574
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,200
and read about it and see how the

1575
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:53,040
culture was along with what they were

1576
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,839
seeing

1577
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:55,599
because i think it'd be and then come to

1578
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,960
today and where we are

1579
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,720
and reading a whole bunch of stories of

1580
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,880
that would be really really interesting

1581
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,240
you know and even asking someone like

1582
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,160
robert salas you know

1583
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,800
robert like when you were on that base

1584
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,319
and that happened to you

1585
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,800
you know a your your feeling of that and

1586
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:12,400
then what was the sentiment around the

1587
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,440
world like

1588
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:16,000
that was a scary time and for him being

1589
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:17,599
on that base when all those missiles

1590
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:17,920
were

1591
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:21,680
activating like i can't even imagine

1592
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,079
how that would feel and so talking to

1593
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,520
all those different people that have had

1594
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,040
experiences from all different

1595
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:29,040
variations and degrees in all different

1596
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,240
decades

1597
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:33,200
would be a really interesting cultural

1598
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,319
you know comparison

1599
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,920
and then where we see where we see we

1600
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,760
are today and then the reflection of

1601
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:40,079
society going on in that time because

1602
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,440
i think we learn a lot more about

1603
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,599
ourselves too yeah

1604
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,119
absolutely i do think you're right

1605
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,440
that's why ufos seem to change

1606
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:48,880
throughout the decades

1607
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:51,119
i think too is because each kind of

1608
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,000
decade

1609
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,640
has a new approach and new issues

1610
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,079
they're dealing with whether it's

1611
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:59,200
politically economically religiously um

1612
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,400
all throughout the world

1613
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,160
so yeah i think you're right i think

1614
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,040
this just it's such a big broad topic

1615
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,880
and we're just trying to piece the

1616
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:09,040
puzzle together and uh i don't know if

1617
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,319
it is a solvable

1618
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,559
puzzle but we're gonna keep trying um

1619
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,559
well i have a couple listener questions

1620
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,920
chrissy if you don't mind i know you

1621
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:18,240
gotta get going um i talked way too much

1622
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:19,280
during this so

1623
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,040
we'll go rapid fire okay um so dan

1624
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,920
danzie uh who runs the signal twitter

1625
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,280
account and um

1626
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,040
awesome dude i've got his stickers right

1627
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:31,040
back here if anyone's interested

1628
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,119
um he wants to know um if tasked with

1629
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,720
rolling out disclosure

1630
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,240
kind of what we've been talking about

1631
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,319
how would you market it and distribute

1632
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,000
it as someone who comes from

1633
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,559
you know sort of a pr background how

1634
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,079
would you market disclosure

1635
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,839
to the public for who for the government

1636
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:49,440
of working for the government or working

1637
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,000
for

1638
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,040
who what side am i on what's that that's

1639
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,440
how about perfect would you have two

1640
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,040
different approaches from government

1641
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,800
and then like i don't know i would hope

1642
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,240
that it would be the same

1643
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,680
well the difference i think between

1644
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:03,359
because it depends if you're rolling out

1645
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,160
disclosure

1646
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,760
you would be the person working within

1647
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:07,359
the government as the communications

1648
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:08,160
director

1649
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,200
you know if i was susan go uh doing

1650
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:13,200
you know working with the pentagon and

1651
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,480
doing disclosure

1652
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,559
you know i'm very much for people

1653
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,839
knowing the truth

1654
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,599
so i don't know how much they would like

1655
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,520
me but let's just say i was

1656
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:24,640
um i would probably start to

1657
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:27,280
to figure out obviously with mass media

1658
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:27,680
and

1659
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,760
obviously was positive

1660
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,920
as much as we could tell the truth that

1661
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,599
wouldn't scare the public

1662
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:38,720
um i also think telling people that you

1663
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,040
know

1664
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,160
you believing in ufos is okay

1665
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,800
and it doesn't mean that you need to

1666
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,520
give up

1667
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,599
your religion you doesn't mean that you

1668
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:49,119
have to change your job

1669
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,800
it doesn't mean that you have to move

1670
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:52,480
from your city or country

1671
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:53,839
it doesn't mean you have to stop what

1672
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,079
you're doing this is something that's

1673
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,760
part of our life that we need to now

1674
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:58,800
just look at

1675
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:02,000
and understand and probably have some

1676
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,640
kind of

1677
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,559
i'm not going to say comfort but some

1678
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,319
kind of overall understanding

1679
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,920
that this is part of it and we're trying

1680
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,079
to figure it out so i would start

1681
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,319
there and then later on i would keep you

1682
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,000
know obviously talking to media

1683
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,800
educating them what's going on um i

1684
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,559
think giving all different types of mass

1685
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,160
media and specific journalists can then

1686
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,760
ask really great questions

1687
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:24,000
and then also educating specific

1688
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,040
journalists

1689
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,040
about this topic because the one thing

1690
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,359
that i see within mass media is that

1691
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,200
when these journalists come to people

1692
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:33,440
like the debrief and like tim mcmillan

1693
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,920
and

1694
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,920
a lot of other journalists is because

1695
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:37,280
there's like a vault

1696
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,040
of information that we've

1697
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:42,640
that you're like they think sometimes i

1698
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:43,520
think journals might think they're

1699
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,400
coming into

1700
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,400
maybe some of them if they're new are

1701
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:47,599
coming into this topic and they're like

1702
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,880
oh what about ufos

1703
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,559
and then they realize like there's so

1704
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,119
much content and so much history around

1705
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,799
it and you just have to get through all

1706
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,559
of that so you start now in the

1707
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,040
in the beginning of ufos and then you go

1708
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,480
all the way down to

1709
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,880
from like centuries of conversations of

1710
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:03,760
it or just

1711
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:06,640
articles experiences so maybe giving

1712
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,280
even just

1713
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:09,760
crash courses into to specific

1714
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,559
journalists

1715
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,079
and telling them and explaining to them

1716
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,920
what were those pivotal moments

1717
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,079
that happened in history that really

1718
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:17,760
came to this conversation

1719
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,040
and then where we are today and if i was

1720
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,520
lucky enough to work in communications i

1721
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,200
would love to prove

1722
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,040
that some of these stories that people

1723
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:29,200
have been ridiculed their entire lives

1724
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,400
are true and giving them that that light

1725
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,920
that's never gonna happen in the

1726
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:35,760
government that's what i would love to

1727
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,400
do

1728
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,079
um because it would open up a little bit

1729
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,720
more of transparency and trust but

1730
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,559
again there's probably tons of reasons

1731
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:44,480
why the government won't do that because

1732
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:45,520
of

1733
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,960
you know you can't ridicule someone

1734
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,599
their entire life and then be like sorry

1735
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,119
about that

1736
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:54,000
right yeah that's not gonna happen um

1737
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,880
but i think that

1738
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,319
that there's a ton of places i'd you

1739
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:58,240
know it's a really hard question to

1740
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,880
answer

1741
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,720
but i think it is because there's so

1742
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:02,319
much to go with it but i think that's

1743
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,280
where i would start with

1744
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,079
and then having media and talking about

1745
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,680
it and then with media talking about it

1746
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,680
and having a better understanding

1747
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,920
of where we're going and then hopefully

1748
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,599
having people ask more questions and be

1749
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,720
able to answer it

1750
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,559
but i think mainly is telling people

1751
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:18,480
that it's okay and starting there so we

1752
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:18,799
don't

1753
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,680
freak people out um and they have a

1754
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:23,280
better idea of what's happening and

1755
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,880
maybe that's what they're doing now

1756
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:27,359
we don't really know maybe they are and

1757
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,400
they're speeding food

1758
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:30,319
you know they're doing this type of

1759
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:31,599
disclosure to us

1760
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:34,640
that's very very spoon-fed right now um

1761
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:35,920
but that's that's kind of where i would

1762
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,240
start um but this is probably

1763
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,760
i'd love to hear other people's actually

1764
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,440
like i would love to hear how they would

1765
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,599
feel disclosure would be rolled out

1766
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,200
i would love to know that yeah yeah it'd

1767
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,680
be interesting yeah everyone has it's a

1768
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,960
great question it's really

1769
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:51,200
yeah yeah it was a good one thanks dan

1770
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,000
um well

1771
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:54,880
you said um kind of going and um you

1772
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:55,280
know

1773
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:58,160
at the debrief it's boldly going and uh

1774
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,680
rebelliously

1775
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,079
curious so uh teresa wants to know

1776
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,599
before we go here chrissy

1777
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:06,079
um how did you come to work with the

1778
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,119
debrief

1779
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,440
and um is there gonna be more episodes

1780
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,880
of rebelliously

1781
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,880
curious and what is it tell us a little

1782
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:14,640
about the show that you have going on at

1783
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:16,000
the youtube channel and whatnot if you

1784
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:16,960
don't

1785
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:20,160
yeah so i remember when the acorn

1786
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:23,520
photo dropped from the debrief and

1787
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,240
i'm like who is what is this debrief who

1788
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,400
is this debrief i have not heard of

1789
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,680
these people

1790
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,920
um like obviously them there's a website

1791
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:33,359
like tim mcmillan and the rest but i'm

1792
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,839
like

1793
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:35,599
what is this website that's going on

1794
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,520
here so that's where

1795
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,559
um and then i messaged you ryan

1796
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,079
it was like i saw that you were working

1797
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,000
with them so i asked you i'm like what's

1798
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:45,680
going on and you gave me a little bit of

1799
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:46,720
information

1800
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,839
and then i saw mj uh i i followed a lot

1801
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,359
of people on social media i added them

1802
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,040
on facebook because i'm just

1803
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:55,920
that much one i want the intel in the

1804
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:56,960
community

1805
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,839
and i saw mj put a posting up and said

1806
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:01,359
we're looking for contributors writing

1807
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:02,319
contributors

1808
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,799
so i sent him a note and i said i would

1809
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,559
like to work with you guys like i'd like

1810
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,720
to contribute um but i like to do it

1811
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,559
in a video context or podcast kind of

1812
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,559
context because that's where

1813
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,640
you know that that's more of my medium

1814
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,640
and he said yeah he's like well we need

1815
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,440
someone to do

1816
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,440
like tech videos and updates and stuff

1817
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:21,599
and um so him and i came back and forth

1818
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,640
with the concept

1819
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:25,040
and he was like how we were going back

1820
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:26,559
and forth with names

1821
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:29,200
and to name the show and he was like

1822
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:30,799
what about rebelliously curious and i

1823
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,359
said yeah

1824
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:34,079
like that like totally fits into who i

1825
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,119
am as a person

1826
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,720
and also what i would like to do with

1827
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,400
the debrief um

1828
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:41,040
and my there will be way more episodes

1829
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:42,400
hopefully the show will grow

1830
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:45,119
where you know um i get to maybe one day

1831
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,400
get to go into the field

1832
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,400
and get to learn and be one-on-one and

1833
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,720
be curious even more into topics that i

1834
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:51,839
want to learn more about

1835
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,799
and also have people you know follow

1836
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,920
along with me

1837
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,599
you know and learning with me and i

1838
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,520
think the most important thing for me is

1839
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,599
that when i do these videos is that

1840
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,599
making it approachable and making it

1841
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,240
that it's easy to understand and people

1842
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,960
you know hopefully they enjoy it um and

1843
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,119
are able to grasp science and technology

1844
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,119
and defense and ufos

1845
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,680
so that it's easy to understand and it's

1846
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:17,280
fun to understand

1847
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,720
and it's something that yeah is

1848
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,720
approachable to them so that's really my

1849
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,640
goal is to make science tech

1850
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,160
in that and and make it so that it's

1851
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,240
easy to consume and

1852
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:28,160
people want to learn more and that's

1853
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:29,520
what's important to me and

1854
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,880
that kind of that's a very similar

1855
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:32,559
narrative to the debrief and that's why

1856
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:33,040
we

1857
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,799
i feel and ryan you're part of that

1858
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:38,480
you know it's making journalism and

1859
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:40,960
making these topics approachable and fun

1860
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,839
rather than stuffy and old like so yeah

1861
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:45,040
some outlets

1862
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,559
you know and that's what i love about

1863
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,480
the guys is they understand that and

1864
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,920
they understand how to talk to the

1865
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,119
community as well

1866
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:54,000
and also giving really really really

1867
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:54,960
wonderful

1868
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,160
stories and um and articles and

1869
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,119
and proof like it's just it's it's one

1870
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,960
of the probably the best websites

1871
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:05,520
that started independently that really

1872
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,240
does

1873
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:09,040
you know will hopefully be something a

1874
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:10,720
lot larger than what it is now

1875
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,760
but it's growing every day and

1876
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,359
honestly i'm just i'm really happy to be

1877
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:17,359
part of it it's a really great space to

1878
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,319
be in

1879
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,880
cool i i would have to agree you know i

1880
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,559
approached the guys and said hey

1881
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,400
i don't know if my writing's up to par

1882
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,079
for what you guys got going on

1883
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:28,480
with your standards but um i'd love to

1884
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,280
give it a try

1885
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,200
and you know i've been so lucky to get

1886
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,839
like 10 articles published at this point

1887
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,680
with many more to come as well

1888
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,440
as many more of your episodes to come

1889
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:39,119
and i think you're right like it's

1890
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,480
we're trying to make it accessible

1891
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,200
because a lot of this emerging

1892
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,240
tech and disruptive tech and science and

1893
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,160
all this stuff it's intimidating

1894
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,720
and i can't even pretend to really

1895
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,400
understand some of the stuff

1896
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,880
that i'm writing about so it's cool to

1897
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,000
have kind of your

1898
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:58,720
show that when we write an article you

1899
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,440
can then

1900
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:02,160
expand on the articles and uh make it

1901
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,520
more digestible

1902
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,440
because i think again like this is about

1903
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,880
getting everyone involved

1904
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,960
if we're just writing like science

1905
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:10,799
babble that only a couple

1906
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,760
you know um quantum computing scientists

1907
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,119
are going to understand

1908
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:17,520
like why even bother like they have

1909
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,880
their own outlets for that

1910
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,559
so yeah i think it's really cool what

1911
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,079
you got going on with the debrief as

1912
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:24,079
well thanks ryan and vice versa like i

1913
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:24,960
just

1914
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,280
i think it's so important because you

1915
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,440
people i think are like oh i'm not smart

1916
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,960
enough to like this

1917
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,119
to be part of science and tech and all

1918
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,960
of this and i would tell myself that

1919
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,839
narrative for

1920
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,680
for years i'm like i'm not smart enough

1921
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,880
you know

1922
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,319
to go to school for that and then i

1923
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:42,720
realized i'm like no chrissy i'm like

1924
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:44,319
these are things that you enjoy and

1925
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,359
maybe you might not understand the

1926
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,119
mathematics around it

1927
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:49,599
but you like the theory of it and that's

1928
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:50,799
what's interesting and

1929
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:53,119
being able to make articles or people to

1930
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:54,880
write articles and make videos

1931
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,359
that i can say to somebody that i can

1932
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:59,119
explain it to them while i'm reading it

1933
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,559
and breaking it down

1934
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,720
and finding that education point that's

1935
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:04,240
easy to understand

1936
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,079
is really important because you don't

1937
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,839
have to be a rocket scientist

1938
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,319
to like science tech and defense and all

1939
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,760
of this you can enjoy it

1940
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,000
and be somebody who likes art you can be

1941
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:15,839
somebody who you can be anybody

1942
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,799
it doesn't mean you have to be a

1943
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:18,559
specific person and i think a lot of

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people are scared of reading those

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articles because they just feel like

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they're maybe not up to snuff

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or they don't feel that maybe they're

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not smart enough to be in that community

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and it's like no you're not you're

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allowed to be part of this and you're

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allowed to have an interest

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and it doesn't matter what education

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level you're on

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and i think that's if we keep pushing

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that forward then we'll get more people

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into the community that are liking

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science and thinking that it's cool

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and we'll getting a different generation

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that wants to learn more about science

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and tech

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than they do about the kardashians no

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offense kardashians

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but to me yeah they're big fans of

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somewhere in the skies so exactly

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right exactly you know like that's my

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you know and that's my hope you know and

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maybe it's a little biased but

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that that's why um that's why i'm really

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happy to be part of a community that

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wants to

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to make it easy and digestible for

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people so awesome

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yup learning that's the key word so in

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closing chrissy

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um where can we learn more about

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everything you're up to

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and uh yeah give us all the socials and

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uh

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websites and where people can find you

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yep for sure uh they can follow me on

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social media at

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miss vocab am i it's right down there

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m-i-s-s-v-u-c-o-v

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um you can also go to altpoprepeat.com

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uh to listen to our podcast we're on all

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streaming podcasts as well

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and then you can go to thedebrief.org

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you can pop over to their youtube page

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and you'll find my videos that come out

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every friday at two o'clock

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called uh rebelliously curious with

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chrissy newton so

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yeah and i love talking to people on

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social media so

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tweet dm me do all those wonderful

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things because i will always talk about

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ufos or other topics with you

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yes have a conversation i love it well

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chrissy i gotta thank you i know you're

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going

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right to another show after this you're

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popular today so um

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i know everyone go to clubhouse go to

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the debrief clubhouse hang out there

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it's a really fun time i've done it

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a couple times now but um thank you

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thank you for coming on

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and just having a conversation i think

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if more people did that like this

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community could come together instead of

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you know

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you're wrong you're right um and

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everything in between so

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thank you thank you for coming on summer

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right